Q. How then can this delusion disappear?
A. Why, Viveka and Vijnana will make it disappear.
Q. For the Jivi reflected in the Buddhi and the Kootastha have
they any superimposition, one upon the other?
A. Though there may be no superimposition for all appearances, the
superimposition exists.
Q. How is that?
A. the Kootastha is unattached, unmoved, unaffected, ever-free.
Still due to the superimposition, it appears differently. This is
the result of their co-existence.
Q. Some elders say that "That and Thwam" are the same,
identical; how is that? What is its meaning? Please enlighten me.
A. Take the pot, the house and a picture. They are distinct, is it
not? They are not identical. But the Akasa that is in all of these
is the same. When the Upadhi or Condition or Limitation is
removed, the Akasa in the pot (ghata), house (mata) and picture
(pita) all merge with the Akasa that is unconditioned, unlimited.
Light too is like this. The light inside and the light outside
merge.
Q. Well, Swami. You have said that the human being in this body
composed of the five elements has to realise the Atma encased in
the Panchakosa. What is Panchakosa, exactly?
A. Kosa means a sheath, a case, a cover. A sword is put into a
scabbard. Money is kept in a treasury or kosa. You must realise
that the thing kept in this five-fold case, is the real 'I'. To
see one's own truth one has to remove the five cases, the
Panchakosa.
Q. Which are these five, Swami?
A. They are called the Annamaya, the Praanamaya, the Manomaya, the
Vijnaanamaya and the Aanandamaya kosas.
Q. What does Annamaya mean?
A. This body grew in the womb of the mother with the help of the
Anna or Food taken by the mother. Besides, even after birth, it
has grown and is being sustained by food alone. After death, it
becomes part of the Earth which produces Food. So it is called
Anna-maya.
Q. Of what importance is this Annamaya kosa?
A. It is the Sthula Deha, the gross body, which suffers grief and
exults in joy.
Q. Is that the only name it has? Or has it any other name?
A. It has. It is called "Bhogaayathanam."
Q. The Praanamaya kosa; what does that mean?
A. The sphere of the five senses, the five Pranas; they form this
cover.
Q. Swami! It seems there are not only Pranas; there are
Upa-pranas also?
A. There are. They are called: Nag, Kurma, Gridhra, Devadatta and
Dhananjaya.
Q. What is the action of each of these?
A. Naga causes belching; Kurma causes blinking of the eyelids;
Gridhra is responsible for sneezing; Devadatta causes the yawn;
Dhananjaya fills the body and causes it to grow fat. Even after
death, these affect the body and cause changes in the corpse.
Q. What does Manomaya kosa mean?
A. The sphere of the five Jnanendriyas, plus the mind, of which
they have become the instruments. It is inside the Pranamayakosa.
Q. You say often mind, mind; please explain what that mind is.
A. That which makes you feel you are the body and feel all things
related to the body as "Mine"; that which runs out through the
senses to the objects, in order to experience the pleasure
therefrom. It is thus rendered very unsteady; always flitting from
one object to another.
Q. Swami! How is man to realise that he is separate from,
beyond and above the Annamaya-kosa?
A. The body is not evident before birth or after death. It is seen
only during the intervening period of time. The body has a
beginning and an end, growth and decay. Such things are
'products', 'effects', and effects are conditioned. So the body
too is limited, conditioned thing. The wise man tells himself, "I
exist always: I am not material; I have no cause and effect, I am
separate from this gross body. So, I cannot be this Annamaya-kosa.
I am the knower of the Annamaya-kosa; I am the witness." When this
knowledge is well established, he knows the truth. He must realise
that he is beyond the Annamaya sheath.
Q. How is one to realise that he is beyond the Pranamaya-kosa?
A. At night, when the individual is asleep, the Pranas, or vital
airs are moving; but one does not know what is happening in him or
around him. He does not fight if enemies come during his sleep. He
is inert and inactive like a log. But "My nature is not this
inertness. I am the ever-conscious witness. I am separate from all
the sheaths," thus he must discriminate, reflect and know.